I have to disagree there are no REAL women here, as there are. I've learnt to rise above & get on with it, after a little while you learn both in awareness & how they operate. I reckon picking on central & eastern Europe isn't all that wise, if you really did trace the IP addresses as you said then I am afraid you're a fool. There is nothing stopping a woman from Australia, a student in America or someone from any other part of the world from relaying mail to make it look as though it comes from a certain place.

to quote Queens of the Stone Age as it has some relevance:
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My generation's for sale,
Beats a steady job.
How much have you got?
My generation don't trust no one,
Its hard to blame,
Not even ourselves.
The thing that's real for us is: fortune and fame,
All the rest seems like work.
Its just like Diamonds
In shit.

I'm high class I'm a whore,
Actually both,
Basically I'm a pro,
We've all got our own style
(of baggage),
Why hump it yourself,
You've made me an offer that I can refuse,
(course either way I get screwed)
Counter proposal:
I go home & Jerk off.

It's truly a lie. I counterfeit myself,
It's truly a lie. I counterfeit myself,
You don't own, you don't own, you don't own,
You don't own what none can buy,
You don't own, neither do I.

High and mighty you say selling out is a sham,
Is that the name of your book?
Push a silver spoon in your ass,
No more holding us down,
(dog. down mutt. Nice mutt)
You're insulted, You can't be bought or sold.
Translation: offer too low.
You don't know what you're worth,
It isn't much,
My piano is for sale.
How many times must I sell myself before my pieces are gone?
I'm one of a kind,
I'm designer.

Never again will I repeat myself,
Enough is never enough,
Never again will I repeat myself.

It used to be the plan was: screwing the man
Now its have sex with a man,
(After he buys you .com for sale at a low, low price)

It's truly a lie, I counterfeit myself,
Its truly a lie, I counterfeit myself,
You don't own , you don't own, you don't own me,
You don't own what none can buy,
You don't own
Neither do I,
Neither do I,
Either,
I'm designer
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Have fun

Mind you two other observations:

1. 4ppl is in BETA mode.
2. You saying about the professional quality of pictures, the
ones that amuse me the most are the ones that look pretty
good as "thumbnails," but as a full picture it is more like
someone put a distortion field on it.

</rant>

Yes,, I know the thumbnails are same of the nice one..and 99% a re take by sites or celebrities..so not real.. I can trace IP address by software.. I can't tell you why but trust me.. I catch so many scammers, not just women, man, frauds, and so on.. than I use it just to have a clear map of where they coming from.. and I never fail.
Real women may be exist but not for sale ... on the easy way, but this is another story... here I cannot even think to looking for women..

Hehe, I think you mis-understood. Tracing an IP address is trivial at best. You need to go further.

I'm not sure why I am even going to ask this question, but if you "catch" so many as you say, why do you persist here? and isn't tracing an IP address more effort then it's worth?

Rhetorical question question the last bit =)'

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Why does one persist? Hope springs eternal, perhaps?

But to allude a bit to both points, there certainly is an overwhelming majority of scammers out here, although I've found that the less you play into or show any polite tolerance for the behavior, the less intrusion you'll find from the scams. As well, the more that they know you don't tolerate it, the less inclined they'll be to waste their time bothering you too.

That is what I am saying in essence, didn't want to spell it out to astrolab as going by what he is claiming, he should have a clue, obviously not but you just whacked over the head with a clue stick ;)

Although if you go by some of his other blog entries... well, no more needs to be said =)

Funnily enough, I do wonder how many have used the "Email us your reports & suggestions." at the bottom? no, I haven't I'm not one for holding my breath & also get the slight impression BoonEx aren't all that interested?!

I think fair to say that astroman probably has the clue, but is simply venting his frustration on site administration. And I'm also guessing that the remedy you've referenced -- the "Reports & Suggestions" link -- is something that BoonEx is probably only looking at periodically.

Given this to be a social-networking site for some purpose, it most likely does not benefit them to lower their population numbers (numbers beget bigger numbers), since people will see a site with a small population and not give it much due. The drawback is that the larger population is mostly false and misleading, and gives new members the impression that there are XX,XXX members when in reality the number is perhaps 5% of that. It doesn't benefit a site to reduce its footprint, depending if the site owner is trying to launch or attract investment capital.

How many people have MySpace accounts? How many have 'more than one'? Can MySpace really say they have over 100 million members? Or is the real number lurking beneath?

If he want's to vent all the pent-up frustration he should find a woman ;) lol..

I am intrigued to know what the true purpose is myself.. maybe, just maybe given time things will turn around, sure there will be the few "scammers", etc lurking on the site.

Not sure how long the site has been active but the domain has been around since 9th December 2004 & the details last updated in September 2007. If I were to go by how many people have registered in the last 24 hours which is 73.. I do get a date which is nearly 3 years..

As for MySpace.. not something I tend to really care about it.. They can say they have half of the worlds population, not that it truly means much.. only be so long till it dies along with Facebook, etc..

I'm pretty sure there's only 14 people of the 73000+ members who are genuine.. lol.. or so it seems..

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Hi to all the women from the usa. but stay in african like ACCRA that looking for a man .why yall do not date yall own see i know why yall SCAMMER them they do not have nothing left. so yall try ing the USA men well to all mens.a female from AFRICAN they after your pocket bookor credit card and they allway say thier DAD got kill and they live with MUM so look out you may be next in line

It astounds me how many exceptionally beautiful women are traveling to Africa, staying there, and suddenly need to get out because of some life-changing event that happens while they're visiting there. And it's generally not the "good neighborhoods" that these chicks are visiting, it's always some hotbed of political or social unrest. Amazing.

And if you believe all of these women, I'll make you an even better investment in this bridge on which a dead African leader has promised me financial huge returns, but since I can't get the money out of the country, I could use your help. :-) (kidding...really...kidding)

alright.. we have a point, in myspace site, ., the community doesn't have so many scammers because is not a site for dating anyone.. and when they catch someone will not going back.. the problem is very common, yes we can trace people sending mail , but just to confirm our suspects, that we can close the story. Unfurtunally there's lot's mens , older and alone and they come so easy target of these bitches, I wondering who will trust someone meet in a virtual world asking money and sent them?? I will not, but there's some people do it.
So, the best suggestion is to monitorize , at the time of the signing up, their own IP address and once is clear they are scammer, bann that IP, than will became difficult for them find new IP all the time and they will look for other sites..
Is clear , scammers doesn't make me worry, I can smell them from so far..I'm not so fool to became stupid but many people lost money with these crooks.. ..

I think it is being suggested that all eastern European women on this site are scammers. I believe this to be untrue.

I didn't say all, may be 90%...well I wish you good luck with them Homeburt.. but don't complain after..

Homerbrut, I think it depends. Are the Eastern European women trying to translate to English and using the site to find UK/US Men? Or are they communicating in their mother tongue? In some cases, I think the motives do need to be questioned, since a not-insignficant majority of Eastern European women are seeking out western males, in English, and using a similar script.

You know Luckyduckyduck what the majority of east countries scammer women do when they write to someone from other countries? copy and past the same text for all, plus when you write them, they never mention what was in your email due they even don't read it.. they just keep send you mails saying that the country is terrible, the mens there are all drunks,they lost the father or the mother, and if one of them in life, she or him are very sick..they live in a very small flat, their salary is so little and cannot even to afford to use computer in Internet cafe, and plus they have to use an ..fantomatic agency to translate in english.. and cost so much ... so due I speak and I write in Russian language, too..when I reply to them in their own language, they stop to write me.. damn stupid scammer bitches...

'a not insignificant majority of Eastern European women are seeking out wester males, in English...'
Well, yes, this is an English-speaking site and eastern European women wanting to meet western men are going to use, yes, English. To be honest, they need to write to you in Cyrillic?!

Sure, the ones who claim they're Americans, or who just copy in the same message are either scammers or daft, but that doesn't mean they're all like that.

Homeburt you look like the red hat story... you must read what I wrote not immage, read is in English but what I said may be for you need an explanation:
Due I can write in Russian Language than Ukranian too, and I reply most of the timet to these ladies from east, in their own language, they quit... and you know why?.. becasuse they have no excuse for asking translation agency money or anything not familiar with their Own language.. CAPESH????

On mine this the man which has named all women of this site bitches - the full idiot. Only last cattle can so to say about women. Probably it has suffered from false, but it is not necessary to speak so about all women! There Are also good girls. IN GENERAL I With IT DO NOT AGREE. And the guy with anybody teis - well done!! My kiss to it for its protection of women!

No matter how many ladies I meet on this site that are in Africa or else where that ask for money, that does not mean I automatically think the next lady is bad. I take each contact one at a time and eventually I will meet a good lady who is real. I refuse to punish all ladies for the ills of the bad ones. it is not fair to say that all ladies on this site are bad. One just has to be smart and use proper observations and not send money. To protect yourself is very smart, but do not judge all the same!

AnzhelikaNet, you should read with your onw eyes what I wrote, I never said what you report, all the women in this site are bitches... I said that the bitches are these women scamming mens, not all, Read it or use glasses...plus use a translator to write in English.. due is not clear what you wrote..sorry..
than Dartdragonxxx, same for you, read first, i'm not the one can put any woman on the same level, I was referring only to who play the scammer rule, and not the majority of women.. Please!!! use the brain... before post a comment...
Just for your information, I receive pul minus 45 messages, from few women , here, in a week time 90% from Africa, well from these last one, all was scammers... and from east contries, same story, do your conclusion...

astrolab ur so fuckin concerned about scammer
is that the only problme in this world
what about people fuckin dogs
is that of more imporance than wasting ur time and talking about scammer
fuckin national party thug

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kiz111 you must go to review your brain , still unplugged.
this is another topic, you take the wrong one or you are a scammer too..may be..

Homerbrut, my comment is better described as this -- if this is an English-speaking site, why are so many non-native English speakers on it? Tell me that one. Is it more that they genuinely are seeking English speaking men despite not speaking the language, or is it that they feel that US/UK males are easy prey, so they effuse in English just to see how far they can get? I feel mostly it's the latter since there are already a ton of sites that (legitimately) advertise matching for Eastern European women. I frankly don't find most of them plausible, and when I said that their reasons were suspect, that was what I was referring to.

Astroman's comments above are well-taken. I'm not suggesting that you start speaking to someone in cyrillic, but I'd really question why someone who is so far removed is so eager to meet "you" (meaning any of us, you in the general sense here).

And Astroman's other comment about their not ever reading your notes is well-placed. I had one set of exchanges with someone I quickly identified as a fraud, and their responses to my notes, as well as first notes to me, had little to do with what I said. They don't read them. When that person identified that their English was so poor because they were raised in Italy, I responded in Italian. The conversations as quickly stopped. Perhaps since it was really Nigeria, I should have conversed in Pidgin? :-)

luckyduckyduck
you know the story ebaut the brain, theres' lot people need to read is:
THE BRAIN IS LIKE A PARASHUT, TO MAKE IT WORK YOU MUST OPEN IT.........
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Astroman, was that directed to me?

OF course not for you LUCKYDUCKYDUCK.. I will never say it.. to someone intelligent was for who doesn't understand what I wrote.. regarding these damn scammers...and in particular to the fat ass of kiz111.. the unplugged brain black man..plus fat like a cow....that one day he will explode ..and living on the floor a ton of cacca.....

well i cannot correct astrolab
he was busy killing black people as apartheid police he never had time to go to schol
now apartheid is over ,he has nothing to do but complain about crime in south africa
who started the crime -- is it not the national party

You right..... kiz 111 and you still go around with the brain unplugged, this blog is not for what you have commented here, again and again you get always the wrong space.. and wrong comments.you must . go to see some eletrician can fix the severala valves broken in your brain circuits--

Stories occour by scammers not only on date sites:
Victim's SIM swop fraud nightmare
Derick Lindsay was playing golf in George in the Western Cape when his cellphone number was hijacked almost 1 200km away in Soweto.

Four days later, on Christmas Day, he went online to check his email and discovered a shocking message from his bank confirming a R80 000 payment to an unknown property company.

The transaction had taken place on the day his SIM card was swopped, but, because he was on holiday, Lindsay hadn't switched on his laptop in days.

The transfer was possible as the crooks had received an SMS once-off password from his bank, via Lindsay's hijacked cellphone number - a security measure used by banks to authorise payments to new beneficiaries.
Both Vodacom and Standard Bank - the service providers involved - have washed their hands of the matter, saying victims have been left out of pocket due to their own fault.

Vodacom said that in such cases, personal information has already been compromised before fraudulent SIM swops are done. And Standard Bank said Lindsay unwittingly gave up his online banking details - card number, pin and password - and that they were not responsible.

However, Lindsay and his wife Cheryl are adamant this isn't the case. "I've been Internet banking for years. I've been with Standard Bank for more than 20 years. Why would I do this now?" he asked.

Lindsay's case follows other reported thefts using the same method.

Rhodes University computer science lecturer Barry Irwin said SIM swop frauds weren't random.
"Targets are carefully selected. How exactly remains a mystery, with much in the way of urban legends and conjecture from bank employees, people leaving ATM slips behind and garbage being rifled through." In addition, personal details are kept at all places where accounts are held.

South Africa has world-class electronic banking, but even people who never use public computers and have checks in place are duped into giving away details. Banking details can unknowingly be handed to criminals by users being diverted to false websites. Or key-logging software that logs keystrokes could be secretly recording every detail of the owner's computer activities.

"In general, the Internet is a reflection of the real world, where con artists try to lure the gullible and greedy," said Geoff Rehmet, of Internet Solutions. "As a general rule, you should be just as cautious online as in the physical world."

Standard Bank concluded that Lindsay had been a phishing victim. In an email, with no reference number, the bank says he'd entered secret banking details on a false website purporting to be official.

"Due to the fact that your loss was not facilitated through any fault or negligence of Standard Bank staff or its systems, we regret to advise that Standard Bank will not be able to make payment to you."

The bank was able to recover R435, but would not pay out the remaining R79 565.

No details of the investigation or proof that Lindsay had visited a false website were given to him. Neither are any details of the bank account to which the funds had been transferred. Instead, the number of the banking ombudsman is given for him to lay a complaint if he found the bank's decision unacceptable.

Online behaviour expert Ramon Thomas, of Netucation, said companies offering technological services needed to beef up user awareness. Of the roughly 1,5-million people who banked online, 50 percent checked only statements and balances, and did not do transactions, he pointed out.

"The number one problem we found with the adoption of Internet banking is that people are afraid of their money being stolen and their accounts being hacked."

Phishing had been happening for years, Thomas said. "They knew it was coming. It was just a matter of time. If they took the approach of educational marketing consistently, what would happen is that the client would feel safe and secure. It does not help putting the information on the website - it needs to be done through the traditional channels."

Professor Jan Eloff, head of computer science at the University of Pretoria, said he had witnessed an alarming increase in the volume and complexity of cyber-crimes.
Sim card swop fraud was not new. "It is common knowledge that Internet banking users must always be aware of vulnerabilities, in most cases unknown, and never 'feel' safe," he said. "The dilemma that we as end-users of automated environments such as Internet banking have is that the responsibility for securing your private information is becoming more and more your own responsibility."

Online crime - and in particular sim swop fraud combined with Internet banking theft - was a complex chain of events and involved multiple parties. This made it difficult to find the weak links in the chain, Eloff said.

"The sim swop fraud, as reported in South Africa, is a multifaceted problem and it would be difficult to pinpoint one specific area of vulnerability."

Vulnerabilities needing to be addressed included procedures and technology used by banks; manual and automated procedures for sim card swopping at telecoms providers; technology that linked a phone to a specific sim card; and types of identification documents.

New-media expert Lucien Pierce, of Phukubje Pierce Masithela Attorneys, said banks and cellphone companies would have a clause in contracts stating non-liability, unless they had been grossly negligent. Pierce said cellphone companies had an obligation to do proper and thorough checks before authorising sim swops.

"The victim and the cellphone company would have to share the blame," he said. "Unless the banks have given out that information, you can't really attribute blame to them."

Gross negligence was difficult to prove, but a civil claim was an option, albeit expensive, for victims.

This week, Lindsay, who has sought legal advice, spoke of his shock and anger at the response of both service providers. "It's not a professional way of doing things.

"If I've done something wrong and they can prove it, I'm prepared to suffer the consequences."
GLOSSARY OF TERMS

SIM swop fraud: This happens when fraudsters obtain a victim's phone number and have it illegally assigned to a new SIM card by doing a SIM swop. The SIM card in the genuine owner's phone is cancelled, and one-time passwords used by banks to add beneficiaries and transfer money are diverted to the SIM card in the possession of the fraudsters. This allows them to plunder money from an account that, banks claim, they have accessed through details usually obtained through phishing (see below).


Phishing (password hijacking): This can be done over the phone or via the Internet, or as an urgent email purporting to be from a bank telling victims that their account information needs to be urgently updated. The mail includes a hyperlink, which takes victims to a site that appears to be genuine, but in fact has been set up by the scamsters to harvest information supplied by gullible victims.


Pharming: Viruses are transmitted via infected attachments or downloads. The virus redirects bank users to a false website that is similar in design to the genuine one, but where confidential information is compromised.


Spoofing: A website set up to resemble an official site where the fraudsters harvest confidential information when people transact on it.


Keystroke logging: Done either through hardware or software, all keystrokes are logged on a computer to be retrieved and used by criminals to access information such as bank details. Key loggers can be installed on a PC as simply as running an email attachment that installs the software on a computer.


Deposit slip scams: A cheque is deposited into a victim's account, usually for an order or purchase. A copy of the deposit slip - with an official bank stamp - is faxed through and goods are released. But when the cheque is discovered to be fraudulent, the deposit is reversed, leaving the victim out of pocket. A variation on this is where a cheque for more than the asking price is deposited into the victim's account "in error" and the fraudster requests a refund of the difference. By the time the cheque is found to be fraudulent, the conman is long gone and the victim is left out of pocket.


419 scams, also known as Advanced Fee Fraud: The grandaddy of scams, victims are sent an unsolicited illegal or legal proposal promising great financial benefit. An upfront fee must be paid, and complications usually arise - and are repeated - that require further payments to resolve.

Identity theft: Personal information (like bank details and ID documents) are stolen, picked up in rubbish bins, intercepted on the internet, or simply gleaned by fraudsters watching you as you complete activities related to personal information. This information is used to open bank accounts or retail accounts and to obtain finance, with huge debts being run up, resulting in the victim receiving a bad credit listing.
Spyware: Software that is secretly placed on your computer, either by email or when you surf the internet, to harvest your personal information.

As everywhere, there are different people here. Both men an women. Scammers, impotents showing their rare erections in public to stimulate theirselfs, joke players, profit hunters etc. But there are real lonely people here too. Just I think everyone finds what he truly expects to find.

Well.. if people will plug in the brain, than can have the right eyes to see the good and the bad..and smelling the wrongs at the first shot..Unfurtunally lot's mens very alone, willing to find a person and who's there attack these , simple, jenuine people? these mother fuckers of scammers, stealing money without any regret but what's bad in not just money problem, is due they destroy some man dream, that's is bad..apart the money. is that nobody care for these people lost the money on this particular way, to believe in someone.this is the crime, to take advantage on people.. weak and vulnerable..that's all.